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作者: dd88    时间: 2005-1-27 03:19
标题: [新品印象]Fondriest Luxter银色战车
在公路自行车领域, "Fondriest"似乎就代表着成功.
Fondriest命名源于该品牌创始人Maurizio Fondriest先生. 象Eddy Merckx一样, 他也曾是位非常优秀的自行车运动员.
也许Fondriest并不像Giant, Bianchi那么常见, 但是她却有很多的追随者.
下图是Fondriest Luxter, 即Fondriest 顶级系列TF1的后期版本. 她的材质几乎和TF1一样, 只是车架角度稍许有些改变.和TF1的主要区别是drop-outs(希望高人来指点一下什么是drop-outs)和碳纤编制密度. 这些区别也是得Luxter的制造速度和成本比TF1要稍微低一点. Luxter采用了一种称之为"Red Lux"的风格, 它不但可以用于银色碳纤制作, 还可以用来做成艳丽的红色和蓝色碳纤版本. 不过, 最被人推崇的恐怕还是银色碳纤版本----银色战车!

Luxter的管径看上去似乎比一些Look架子要稍微粗大一些, 但是又略小于SCOTT CR1或铝版本CANNODALE类型车架的管径.这样的构造使得她的足够的硬但又保留着碳纤应有的减震性.

[新品印象]FondriestLuxter银色战车
作者: dd88    时间: 2005-1-27 03:29
整车配置如下:
牙盘(曲柄): campy Record 铝版本 齿数为 39-53
中轴: campy Record
链条: campy Record 10速
前拨: campy Record
后拨: campy Record
手变: campy Record 10速
飞轮: campy Record, 11-23, 10速
轮组: Gipiemme 16孔 700x23c (前后均为16)----让我想起了双星的轮组...呵呵
辐条: Gipiemme 6082合金扁辐条
圈: Gipiemme Parade
一体车把: 碳纤 Cinelli RAM
碗组:  FSA
坐包:  Fi'zi:k Arione
作者: dd88    时间: 2005-1-27 03:30
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作者: dd88    时间: 2005-1-27 03:31
还有很多详细介绍. 有兴趣的可以看看:

The Frame
Smooth silver
Photo ©: Paul Mirtschin   
The Luxter comes in five sizes: extra small, small, medium, large and extra large. This type of sizing scheme is increasingly common, especially with monocoque carbon frames where the cost of moulds makes offering a multitude of sizes prohibitively expensive. However, it can mean that some people simply won't be able to get such a frame that fits them perfectly.

Our sample was a large, though in a perfect world I'd have been on a medium (but when you're offered the company owner's own bike it's hard to be picky) and had a 57.5cm seat tubes (measured centre to top) , 56.3cm effective top tube, 73.3 degree seat tube, and 73.5 degree head tube. It's obvious that a lot of work and thought has gone into the design of the Luxter frame. The chainstay and bottom bracket areas in particular are highly shaped, with lots of material around the bottom bracket shell itself, and complex, 'flattened s-bend' chainstays wending their way through an area of the frame where there isn't much space between the tyre and chainrings.

Components
Carbon levers
Photo ©: Paul Mirtschin   
Francesco Fondriest's Luxter runs, unsurprisingly, a full Campagnolo Record group. My own far more humble rig has Campagnolo Veloce, so the switch didn't involve relearning shifting the way moving between Campagnolo and Shimano does, and I found changing itself to be a pleasure. The gear-to-gear click-click of Record was smooth and easy - noticeably more so that my Veloce set, which can be a bit clunky. Also found no need to make little adjustments to the front derailleur according to which gear on the cluster I was in - this is something I have to do when changing on my own bike. The braking with Record was excellent - I really enjoyed knowing that I had the hardware to pull me up if I needed it in a hurry. It's been said before, but this is a standout area of the Record group, and something I constantly noticed when it got me out of trouble.

Record's other big bonus is the amount of weight-saving carbon scattered through the components. Maybe I'm easy to please, but the carbon brake levers and rear derailleur cage never ceased to impress me - not just the fact that they saved weight, but because they look good every time. However, Francesco has gone for the heavier aluminium version of the Record chainset - still a lovely piece of kit though, and I didn't lose any sleep thinking about the extra few grams I was carrying!

Finishing kit
One carbon unit
Photo ©: Paul Mirtschin   
The Cinelli RAM one-piece carbon fiber bar and stem is an intriguing component. It's significantly lighter than most bolt-together bar and stem combinations, and I found that anatomic bend in the drops was really comfortable, making riding in them more fun than I should probably admit to! On the other hand, the one-piece design means changing the stem length to tailor the fit is impossible, and you also can't change the angle of the bar - I found my wrists getting tired on climbs because the shape just wasn't quite right for me.

I had no problems with the Selcof silver carbon seat post - more weight savings - but I did find the Fizik Arione saddle didn't fit my butt properly. Francesco Fondriest - and many other satisfied cyclists, it seems - obviously have a different physiology to mine, and this area of any bike is always about individual fit. No complaints about flexing here either, which is definitely a good thing. The Gipiemme Parade wheels were shod with Vredestein Fortezzas - not lightweight, but they did the job well, and were colour co-ordinated to the rest of the bike.


The Ride
My usual ride is also Italian, but it's aluminium, and the improvement in comfort that comes from a lighter, carbon fiber frame was the first aspect of the Luxter I noticed on the road. A lot of the riding for this test happened on country roads around my family's home in Bathurst, New South Wales. Riding on country roads can be a hazardous exercise for your posterior as most of the surfaces are made from larger-aggregate bitumen, and road buzz is a big factor. I didn't notice much buzz at all, and when I punished the bike a little on some rough patches the local council still hadn't mended, the ride was pretty unaffected, except for some for the inevitable jolting through the bars.

That was the recurring thought: 'how am I going to return to an aluminium bike where the only bit of carbon on it is the forks?'

The country roads I rode were also littered with great hills, and it's here that I had the most fun on the Luxter. It helped me cheerfully dispose of two kilometre climbs, even with my varying level of fitness over the course of the test. I like climbing standing on the pedals, and the fact that the saddle wasn't quite right for that particular part of my body (it's always a personal thing) meant that I was attempting my version of the Lance Armstrong high-cadence dance whenever the roads pointed upwards. In these cases I found the Luxter to be a more than willing dance companion. The hills in the upper northern reaches of Sydney provided me with another good test of the Luxter's climbing ability, and again I was impressed with the fact that you could easily spend a lot of time going upwards, which sounds masochistic, but it was quite enjoyable on this bike. This was due to the relatively low weight and comfortable position - although the frame was a little big I was nevertheless able to get a relaxed position and get the power out on climbs.

Carbon BB shell
Photo ©: Paul Mirtschin   
I rode the Luxter on the famed Mt Panorama racing circuit in Central Western NSW several times during the test and found it strong on the climb (short, sharp and painful the third or fourth time round) and very capable on the descent, especially on one corner named 'The Dipper'. This corner drops very quickly as you turn, and tests the ability of rider and machine well. The confident performance was a result of the responsiveness of the bike when turned into a corner, and the braking of the Record groupset, which I found time and again to be excellent. I was really impressed by the stopping power of the Record brakes; yet they maintained a 'calmness' when I needed to brake quickly.

The responsiveness of the frame was something I really enjoyed when riding - putting it into corners on a criterium or on a descent felt nimble but sure, even when I hadn't ridden the corner before. The Mt Panorama track is an excellent mixture of riding pain and pleasure - the only part of the Luxter's performance on it I was a little disappointed with was a slight dull feel on the flat parts of the circuit; but I suspect this may be a result of wheel choice on the test machine. The Gipiemme Parade wheels, although attractive due to their paired spoking and flared rim outlets for these spokes didn't match the quality of the frame. They didn't provide the stiffness I was looking for, and this may have affected my enjoyment on the bike. I would opt for a stiffer wheelset on this frame, and chances are you may get closer to full potential of the bike. This may be the area where the lack of stiffness I complained of was originating from, not the frame itself.

Conclusion
The Luxter is a bike that offers a really comfortable ride without making too many sacrifices in terms of weight. Stiffness was an issue at times, but with a rigid set of wheels that issue should be well and truly minimised. If you plan on doing big hours in the saddle, this bike would probably suit you very well. It's not cheap, and keeping the costs down by using a group without the same price tag as Record should help there. A solid performer with plenty to offer, the Luxter is definitely an option if you've got the cash.

[from cycling news]
作者: dd88    时间: 2005-1-27 03:43
刚刚找到几款Luxter的车架, 就像上面那篇文章所说的一样. 红色,蓝色确实可以给人一种"惊艳"的感觉. 尤其是这款EVO 蓝色的, 相当之精美.

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作者: dd88    时间: 2005-1-27 03:43
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作者: dd88    时间: 2005-1-27 03:44
[新品印象]FondriestLuxter银色战车 [新品印象]FondriestLuxter银色战车
作者: 少年14    时间: 2005-1-27 04:36
我想要这架子!
作者: c5463    时间: 2005-1-27 06:25
14,暂时就算了吧,你骑的是山地,这公路太高了
作者: konadbrgt    时间: 2005-1-27 11:09
以下是引用少年14在2005-1-26 20:36:47的发言:
我想要这架子!

你还是买BIANCHI吧,这个牌子的车架对你来讲是不实际的
作者: konadbrgt    时间: 2005-1-27 11:49
以下是引用dd88在2005-1-26 19:43:21的发言:
刚刚找到几款Luxter的车架, 就像上面那篇文章所说的一样. 红色,蓝色确实可以给人一种"惊艳"的感觉. 尤其是这款EVO 蓝色的, 相当之精美.

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这款车架也是在去年的EURO BIKE展上首次亮相的,最吸引人的地方就是它的上色技术。因为它不是在CARBON的外表上色,而是把CARBON的每一根纤维具体染色,这样就能作出更加细腻的图案,有点像显示器的象素。这款车架还没有量产,因为这项技术还有待进一步的开发和合作(这个技术是Fondriest在法国的技术公司开发的)。
drop-outs是牵扯到角度问题,因为每根管材被制造好后,要经过裁剪才可以进行拼装,而每根管材的剪切角度与它以后的刚性有很大关系,因为CARBON是纤维材料,这点尤其明显(如果不懂就去看看材料力学)。其实Luxter跟TF1的材料有很大区别了,光是原材料的基本力学指数就差很大,每平方米的抗拉强度相差1000KN。
再具体说一下HR,有两种CARBON HR,有一种是HAUT RESISTANCE,另外一种是HAUT RENFORCE,后面一种是新技术,前一种HR的档次比CARBON HM要低。
作者: dd88    时间: 2005-1-27 16:58
嗯,不错啊。蒋兄给我上了一课~~
作者: 飞人    时间: 2005-1-28 08:13
车把有点像C50啊。这种式样的车把现在好像非常流行啊。
作者: 王木土    时间: 2005-1-28 08:34
蒋,能否具体说明一下HAUT RESISTANCE  &  HAUT RENFORCE?




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